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Search Engine Optimization – a PPC Point of View

30 July, 2008
Vivek Bhargava, CEO, Communicate2
Search Engine Optimization – Random Thoughts From a PPC Professional Point Of View! If a person had asked me a few years ago whether SEO is complimentary to paid search or asked a SEO professional whether a person must even do PPC (Pay Per Click aka SEM aka Search Engine Marketing), I am sure both of us would not have given a positive opinion of the other.

One reason for this could have been that SEO is the grandfather of search and it is nearly as old as the search engines themselves, while PPC is only less than six years old. Many SEO professionals detested search engines for introducing paid search and firmly believed that it was a temporary phenomenon – if the SEO firms would have truly supported paid search from the beginning, specialist paid-search companies such as Communicate 2 would have found it difficult to prosper. In hindsight, I am truly grateful they didn’t and both of us got an opportunity to create our own niches.

The other reason could be that SEO and PPC is generally handled by two different departments of the marketer – PPC by the marketing department, SEO by the IT department. Thus, generally there is little collaboration between the two; both working in their own compartments, each thinking that it is the other’s job.

Today, however, I firmly believe that SEO is complementary to paid search rather than being competitive. In fact, PPC and SEO companies can work together to compliment each other’s services quite effectively. (the ‘Andar Ki Baat’ reason also is that now Communicate 2 has become a part of Isobar that owns one of the best SEO companies in the world, I-prospect and our agreement compels me to say positive things about SEO *Smile*)

Below are many ways in which SEO and PPC can collaborate and create a synergistic strategy that will result in most effective results for the client. Furthermore, there are some areas when either SEO or PPC is more effective, best thing to do is evaluate the purpose, then either use one of them or both of them in a way that they complement each other.

Identifying Keywords through PPC: When one designs an SEO strategy, it would be good to know which keywords drive most traffic, give most conversions, which are most expensive, and so on. I am sure that an SEO professional will understand this – paid search can give all this information at a flick of a button. If a person uses this information to design an SEO strategy, the SEO strategy would be very effective. Example, keywords that are expensive and give good traffic plus conversion must be given priority treatment by an SEO company. Cheaper keywords that although give good traffic and conversions could be given second priority.

Identifying conversion keywords through SEO: We have seen keywords that are on the 25th position on SEO and still give conversions to the client. A simple step of increasing the bid for those keywords, and getting them on position one for PPC has resulted in increasing conversions exponentially. We have many clients whose entire analytics is handled by Communicate 2; getting a higher listing for these long-tail keywords through SEO would not be difficult, but it would have also taken a lot of time. However, increasing bids on the PPC campaigns allowed us to increase the conversions almost immediately.

Identifying expensive conversion oriented keywords through PPC: Similarly, there are many keywords that are expensive keywords in PPC, as they form a part of the broad match direct keyword. It is quite easy to optimise these keywords through SEO and get a good position. A person is not only able to generate traffic but also do it for free. Example – a keyword such as ‘Personal Loan Mumbai’ hardly triggers any of the tops banks in the top five listings, the natural results show sites such as Sulekha, JustDial, and so on. Building a page on the top bank sites with content covering these long-tail conversion-oriented keywords such as above could be useful strategy as these keywords are nearly as expensive as the primary keywords.

Identifying ad copy that works on SEO: CTR can play a big role in an SEO process. It not only plays a role in the SEO process but it is also important from ROI point of view. What is the use of being on top five in Google, if the CTR is low. PPC allows one to test various ad copies without worrying about losing one’s ranking, once the ad copies that deliver maximum CTR are identified, the same can be used to for creating the title and description tags. I guess not many SEO companies would like to touch the ad copy of their page once they have achieved number two listing on Google.

Understanding the customer through PPC, and then using the info for SEO: PPC allows one to understand what customers call the product of the company, example I know of a company that used to call their customer service centres as ‘customer response centres.’ So when someone would search for ‘company brand’ service centres, the result would be a negative blog site. Once we know what customers are looking for, executing SEO for the same becomes easy. Sometimes a simple keyword change from ‘quick loan’ to ‘fast loan’ can make all the difference.

Using PPC for performing a litmus test: There are many times when a company wants to introduce a new product and see if there is a demand for the same. In such a scenario SEO would take months before it starts showing results while PPC is a very effective starting promotion of a new product. It gives you an idea of how successful the product could be and thereafter the products that deliver results can be complimented with a SEO strategy.

Optimising Landing Pages: It takes months to get a good ranking on SEO. If a person does not have a page that converts into a sale/conversion, months of efforts will go waste. All the more, changing landing pages’ content once they start getting a number one ranking on SEO can be disastrous. PPC is a good way to test your landing pages. Once a person has tested the landing pages through A/B and Multi-variate testing and identified which pages are creating the most conversions, executing SEO for those pages would deliver great results.

I can give many other ways on how SEO and PPC can complement each other. It is important, however, that companies understand that SEO and PPC is not an either/or strategy. Both are synergistic to each other and if used in a way that they complement each other they can deliver great ROI.

So the next time, if any of you –from SEO or paid search – debate over which is better, please remember this note of mine and smile and shake hands as I believe that the end result of any debate should not be winning, but human progress. And blending together of SEO and paid search does just that!

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Search Engine Optimization – Random Thoughts From a PPC Professional Point Of View! If a person had asked me a few years ago whether SEO is complimentary to paid search or asked a SEO professional whether a person must even do PPC (Pay Per Click aka SEM aka Search Engine Marketing), I am sure both of us would not have given a positive opinion of the other.

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by pizza on 21 May, 2010
Submitted by pizza (not verified) on Fri, 05/21/2010 - 01:54.

Hi,great post .. very informative...thanks

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by seo indonesia on 29 April, 2010
Submitted by seo indonesia (not verified) on Thu, 04/29/2010 - 04:48.

i think combination PPC and SEO is good.

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by Sathyashankara on 11 August, 2009
Submitted by Sathyashankara (not verified) on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 12:29.

I think seo is best for medium and small scale industries.Because i observed that one of my known client is did both seo and ppc.They started both together and assigned work to different companies.They invested $25,000 per month to ppc and $1000 to seo.Then within 7 months their site comes in 1st page SERP'S due to SEO and then they stopped ppc work.

So my opnion is that business owners should do ppc until they get good results in SEO.

Thank u vivek for a good artical keep posting articles like this.

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by vicky on 17 July, 2009
Submitted by vicky (not verified) on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 20:36.

dear guest(17thjuly) and loveena,

it seems that you have not read the article and most likely a competitor of communicate 2.

I think this is a quite a fresh perspective towards how paid search and SEO can be complimentary to each other - i love a few of the ideas how ppc can be used by SEO and vice versa(quite innovative i must say) and I would surely implement the same for some of my clients.

If you really feel a specific idea shared in the article is useless, illogical - then say which one - vivek may either accept your point of view or share his! which would make your comment useful to the rest of the readers - if you are a competitor of communicate 2, please use your energy to creating a better value proposition for your clients, rather than focus your energies on useless mud slinging on a platform such as this.

Cheers

Vicky

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by Guest on 17 July, 2009
Submitted by Guest (not verified) on Fri, 07/17/2009 - 14:13.

Vivek, you begin your article by citing: Search Engine Optimization – Random Thoughts From a PPC Professional Point Of View!

Guess what, you are right - your thoughts are totally random... a sheer waste of time and illogical approach.

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by Loveena on 22 June, 2009
Submitted by Loveena (not verified) on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 04:46.

Vivek, I am not sure what made you write this. Misleading and confusing take on SEO. You've mixed and matched way too many things and one fail to draw any insights from it.

One thing that I agree with you is with the way you start this article " Search Engine Optimization – Random Thoughts From a PPC Professional Point Of View!"

You are correct - Your article is Random!

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by Roshan on 17 June, 2009
Submitted by Roshan (not verified) on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 03:25.

Vivek, you are right - your article is random.

The only thing I found useful is your disclaimer "Search Engine Optimization – Random Thoughts From a PPC Professional Point Of View!"

The point that you are trying to make that SEO and SEM compliments each other is quite true. That said, a major area which holds some value for marketers, agencies, or general readers of this blog has not been touched upon - the ROI impact of the SEO/SEM mix - how to measure/ justify etc etc.

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by satish on 28 May, 2009
Submitted by satish (not verified) on Thu, 05/28/2009 - 11:21.

I think use both for learning and cost effective returns and Its easy to use both Search Engine Optimize

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by Ethical Seo on 20 May, 2009
Submitted by Ethical Seo (not verified) on Wed, 05/20/2009 - 17:40.

Organic and paid search are two sides of a coin. Companies must judiciously use both for learning and cost-effective returns.

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by finance on 11 May, 2009
Submitted by finance (not verified) on Mon, 05/11/2009 - 18:23.

I completely agree with ZEHRA HAMI,she's right when she says that TPC and SEO go hand in hand... THANKS VIVEK for the useful information!

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by Zehra Hami on 11 May, 2009
Submitted by Zehra Hami (not verified) on Mon, 05/11/2009 - 17:55.

I think PPC and SEO compliment each other. Any company looking for SEO must try PPC also. For some extremely tough keywords, where it would take months to come on top through SEO, it would be better to try PPC to gauge the traffic and how well it converts. Also in PPC, you could use multiple descriptions to entice the customers and see what works and then use the same in SEO as well. The fact that you can come on top in minutes through PPC really helps you experiment with your grammar.

Also, a site that comes on top organically and also through PPC definitely creates more brand awareness and has a definite higher CTR.

So a good mix of both PPC and SEO is best advised.

Cheers.

Zehra Hami

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by Web Hosting Coupons on 04 March, 2009
Submitted by Web Hosting Coupons (not verified) on Wed, 03/04/2009 - 10:25.

great post .. very informative

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by India Travel on 05 February, 2009
Submitted by India Travel (not verified) on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 16:03.

Quite useful information

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by Nelson Fernandes - Mindstar Netcorp on 16 December, 2008
Submitted by Nelson Fernandes - Mindstar Netcorp (not verified) on Tue, 12/16/2008 - 16:29.

vivek,

ur article is quite relevant for many unoptimised / unstructured/corporate led websites/clients which abound in todays market. They need PPC as their inbuilt constraints disallow them good rankings in SEO.

But What if an SEO expert can get a well structured website listed at good rankings for more than 10,000 keywords in Search Engines? Would the client still need PPC then?

And considering that Search Engines have now being segregated into country specific Results etc., new Search Engines coming into the picture etc. which option would make better business sense - SEO or PPC?

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by Kunal Shah on 03 December, 2008
Submitted by Kunal Shah (not verified) on Wed, 12/03/2008 - 11:17.

Yes, Its easy to use both SEO as well as SEM.

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by Prashant on 30 October, 2008
Submitted by Prashant (not verified) on Thu, 10/30/2008 - 19:58.

"I firmly believe that SEO is complementary to paid search rather than being competitive."

SEO has always been complementary to PPC, it was never competitive. They are two seperate things. Simply put, SEO takes time for results and in PPC results are instant.

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by SEO Bhai on 30 October, 2008
Submitted by SEO Bhai (not verified) on Thu, 10/30/2008 - 14:37.

Hmnn Great Discussion to follow.
Some times PPC beats SEO in business. Consider you are giving a discount of 40% this diwali. Your PPC campaigns are sure to get the traffic hooked in a n hours time. By the time SEO does that Diwali will be over. Hence its right not to compare the two. Each dog has its own lane. He he

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by spepoc on 29 October, 2008
Submitted by spepoc (not verified) on Wed, 10/29/2008 - 13:47.

Hi Vivek, I feel you are too biased towards PPC. Well let us understand. Google Hate SEO and Love PPC. I am sure Google definitely loves Vivek :) I feel lets remove the discussion of even looking seo in comparison with PPC. People do find synergies between PPC keywords for SEO. Well lets stop there. I don't think there is a comparison further. SEO completely live on Google's help (This must hurt SEO guys, but it is true) and Google live on PPC. This immediately builds a synergy between Google & PPC.

Do understand this Vivek. SEO & PPC are two different thing. if SEO is a Lunch with a Thali, then PPC is a dinner with candle light plus handsome bill. It is always not correct that you only master in one and not both. Its just your experience on both.

I have been doing PPC much before it landed in India and doing SEO after the inception of search engine. But I don't compare these even they are part of one media plan.

Happy Diwali.. To all AlooTechie Readers

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by Vivek on 30 October, 2008
Submitted by Vivek (not verified) on Thu, 10/30/2008 - 01:15.

you can manage lunch with a thali, off course everyday.! But i'm sure, you won't be able to afford candle light dinner (& handsome bill as well) everyday for a longer period. i hope you got my point. Can you feel the experience now?

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by vivek Bhargava on 29 October, 2008
Submitted by vivek Bhargava (not verified) on Wed, 10/29/2008 - 18:39.

hey spepoc,

i guess we will have to agree to disagree *smile*

i believe both are complimentary to each other - one can use insights from one to improve the other.

high end SEO costs five times more than what most PPC companies charge, i have heard of companies increasing e-commerce sales of client by USD 600 through SEO ... and yes they charge a upwards of usd 1 million for an seo project.

the best thing about search is - there is no right thing - everyone has their own views, and in their own way they are right... *smile*

i think we all are going to have a prosperous year ! Happy diwali to everyone

Cheers

Vivek

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by Bagish on 15 October, 2008
Submitted by Bagish (not verified) on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 12:30.

Sure both SEO and PPC will help each other alot. PPC campaign provides great help in keyword analysis and landing page optimization.

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by Kunal on 07 October, 2008
Submitted by Kunal (not verified) on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 10:19.

Yes, You Can Integrate SEO with SEM.

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by dsouza on 03 September, 2008
Submitted by dsouza (not verified) on Wed, 09/03/2008 - 13:30.

Nice articles,except that what else can we do for our sites as an seo.

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by Rishi Asthana on 25 August, 2008
Submitted by Rishi Asthana (not verified) on Mon, 08/25/2008 - 15:38.

Nice post Vivek, but I think, currently you people are not in SEO, r u planning to get into that ?
In fact, I myself is using a few of these strategies for may SEO campaigns and I totally agree with you.

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by Preya on 16 August, 2008
Submitted by Preya (not verified) on Sat, 08/16/2008 - 20:22.

But still I would like to know that SEO and SEM can be done by one person or not.

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by Rishi Asthana on 25 August, 2008
Submitted by Rishi Asthana (not verified) on Mon, 08/25/2008 - 15:45.

Ya, definitely, one can do both SEO as well as SEM, not a big deal.

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by Vivek Bhargava on 22 August, 2008
Submitted by Vivek Bhargava (not verified) on Fri, 08/22/2008 - 17:59.

Hi Preya,

I feel the skill sets required to be a great seo or a great ppc are quite different. Thus one could do both, but most likely they will become great at only one.

As a company, yes there are examples worldwide where a company has great SEO / PPC practises, however it is generally delivered by two different teams.

Cheers,
Vivek

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by Guest on 11 August, 2008
Submitted by Guest (not verified) on Mon, 08/11/2008 - 12:19.

Oh, You people are in SEO also!
Cheers!

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